Thanks Johnny. One thing that stands out compared to the CL8/CS8 iso directory, are the signed checksum files. For CS9 these are not available! Intentional?
That is the case for now .. but I will put a note on our team chat to see if we can get that added.
We would like documentation of community feedback :)
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
Il 2021-12-03 16:22 Johnny Hughes ha scritto:
Have we an official upgrade path from Stream-8 to Stream-9?
From what I can understand the answer is “no”, but maybe I am missing something. Regards.
There is no automated upgrade path, but there has never been an automated upgrade path for any CentOS versions.
But, that is not to say that there won’t be one .. if a SIG wanted to develop one, it certainly could exist.
I installed CentOS 9 Stream on Nov 17 as a VM. (VMware note: to install from the DVD ISO, you must use UEFI boot and the “Secure”
option must be deselected.)
I did a quick summary of some of the packages that are important to us at work; obviously, our work priorities may not align with your needs, but you might find the list useful in case you’re interested in CentOS
itself or in what RHEL 9 or its clones (Oracle, Rocky, etc) is likely to resemble:
Of note: java, perl and ruby are entirely streams now, while python remains tied to the base OS. All RDBMS releases are streams. There is no Tomcat! libgcc is part of the base OS but is also a stream. I’m not sure how that will work.
As of yesterday, “dnf module list” is pretty sparse. I assume that will change over time.
So far, my overall impression is that it behaves not too differently from EL8/CentOS 8.
Thanks for doing this! It’s a good overview.
I can clarify that a bit. We have Application Streams and separately the AppStream repo. The AppStream repo contains the Application Streams, but it also contains things that are still part of the standard OS that aren’t what we’d consider “Base” or “core”. In RHEL
8, the actual Application Streams are listed here:
We’ll have a similar page for RHEL 9 when that is released, but your list of languages and RDBMS in CentOS Stream 9 is a good start. Also, the python language stack will be slightly different in 9. We still have a system python (platform-python in RHEL8/CentOS Stream 8), which is python 3.9 but the packaging format is a more traditional RPM
packaging. The same concept applies to the system level gcc, and therefore libgcc.
RHEL 8 does not include Tomcat either, so that is not new.
Yes, it will change over time.
josh
Am 03.12.21 um 17:25 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
I was unsure what “component” to select. Hope thats the right one:
Thank you for the reply! I’m still poking around Stream 9, trying to devise some site-specific configuration-management rules, so I
appreciate all the information I can get.
Ah! I hadn’t understood that distinction. Thanks for the clarification.
Does that mean there might be, say, a python310 or gcc12 stream?
Heh. I guess I should have looked at that. None of our internal Tomcat users have yet moved to EL8.
Version specifics aside, yes there will be newer python and gcc
(called gcc-toolset in RHEL 8) Application Streams in the future. They won’t exist for every upstream release, but selected versions will be included.
josh
Am 03.12.21 um 17:15 schrieb Leon Fauster:
Hi Johnny, I wonder if there is any progress in planing?
13 thoughts on - Introducing CentOS Stream 9
Am 03.12.21 um 16:22 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
Thanks Johnny. One thing that stands out compared to the CL8/CS8 iso directory, are the signed checksum files. For CS9 these are not available! Intentional?
That is the case for now .. but I will put a note on our team chat to see if we can get that added.
Am 03.12.21 um 17:08 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
That would be great. Thanks!
Leon,
Can you file a bug here?
https://wiki.CentOS.org/ReportBugs
(for the stream 9 link).
We would like documentation of community feedback :)
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
Il 2021-12-03 16:22 Johnny Hughes ha scritto:
Have we an official upgrade path from Stream-8 to Stream-9?
From what I can understand the answer is “no”, but maybe I am missing something. Regards.
There is no automated upgrade path, but there has never been an automated upgrade path for any CentOS versions.
But, that is not to say that there won’t be one .. if a SIG wanted to develop one, it certainly could exist.
I installed CentOS 9 Stream on Nov 17 as a VM. (VMware note: to install from the DVD ISO, you must use UEFI boot and the “Secure”
option must be deselected.)
I did a quick summary of some of the packages that are important to us at work; obviously, our work priorities may not align with your needs, but you might find the list useful in case you’re interested in CentOS
itself or in what RHEL 9 or its clones (Oracle, Rocky, etc) is likely to resemble:
Base OS:
* glibc 2.34
* kernel 5.14.0
* openssh 8.7p1
* openssl 3.0.3
* python3 3.9.8
* samba 4.14.5
AppStream:
* Bacula 11.0.1
* gcc 11.2.1
* httpd 2.4.48
* java 8, java 11, java 17
* mariadb 10.5.12
* mysql 8.0.22
* nginx 1.20.1
* openmpi 4.1.1
* perl 5.32.1 + all modules
* php 8.0.6
* PostgreSQL 13.3
* python3 modules
Of note: java, perl and ruby are entirely streams now, while python remains tied to the base OS. All RDBMS releases are streams. There is no Tomcat! libgcc is part of the base OS but is also a stream. I’m not sure how that will work.
As of yesterday, “dnf module list” is pretty sparse. I assume that will change over time.
So far, my overall impression is that it behaves not too differently from EL8/CentOS 8.
Thanks for doing this! It’s a good overview.
I can clarify that a bit. We have Application Streams and separately the AppStream repo. The AppStream repo contains the Application Streams, but it also contains things that are still part of the standard OS that aren’t what we’d consider “Base” or “core”. In RHEL
8, the actual Application Streams are listed here:
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhel8-app-streams-life-cycle
We’ll have a similar page for RHEL 9 when that is released, but your list of languages and RDBMS in CentOS Stream 9 is a good start. Also, the python language stack will be slightly different in 9. We still have a system python (platform-python in RHEL8/CentOS Stream 8), which is python 3.9 but the packaging format is a more traditional RPM
packaging. The same concept applies to the system level gcc, and therefore libgcc.
RHEL 8 does not include Tomcat either, so that is not new.
Yes, it will change over time.
josh
Am 03.12.21 um 17:25 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
I was unsure what “component” to select. Hope thats the right one:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id 28929
Josh,
Thank you for the reply! I’m still poking around Stream 9, trying to devise some site-specific configuration-management rules, so I
appreciate all the information I can get.
Ah! I hadn’t understood that distinction. Thanks for the clarification.
Does that mean there might be, say, a python310 or gcc12 stream?
Heh. I guess I should have looked at that. None of our internal Tomcat users have yet moved to EL8.
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Version specifics aside, yes there will be newer python and gcc
(called gcc-toolset in RHEL 8) Application Streams in the future. They won’t exist for every upstream release, but selected versions will be included.
josh
Am 03.12.21 um 17:15 schrieb Leon Fauster:
Hi Johnny, I wonder if there is any progress in planing?